Showing posts with label Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde. Show all posts

Saturday, April 30, 2011

The Hungarian Ancestry of Queen Elizabeth II; Part 2

Earlier today I posted an introduction to a series of posts I'll be writing, about the Hungarian ancestry of Queen Elizabeth II. Not many know she has a Hungarian Countess as a second great-grandmother, let alone much of her Hungarian ancestry at all. My goal is to document that.

In my first post I highlighted Countess Klaudina (various spellings of her first name) Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde and four generations of her ancestors. In this second post, I'll be highlighting Klaudina's paternal second great-grandfather, János Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde. His ahnentafel list is as follows:


First Generation
1. János Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde

Second Generation
2. János Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
3. Margit Kornis de Homoród-Szent-Pál

Third Generation
4. Pál Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
5. Anna Sutha de Ladmócz
6. Ferencz Kornis de Homoród-Szent-Pál
7. Judit Kornis de Homoród-Szent-Pál

Fourth Generation
8. Pál Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
9. unknown
10. György Sutha de Ladmócz
11. unknown
12. Farkas Kornis de Homoród-Szent-Pál
13. Druzsiánna/Katalin Petky de Derzs és Királyhalma
14. Boldizsár Bornemisza de Kápolna
15. Anna Patócsy

Fifth Generation
16. László Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
17. Erzsébet Recsky
18. unknown
19. unknown
20. unknown
21. unknown
22. unknown
23. unknown
24. Miklós Kornis de Homoród-Szent-Pál
25. Borbála Bikly de Bikal
26. János Petky de Derzs és Királyhalma
27. Katalin Kornis de Homoród-Szent-Pál
28. unknown
29. unknown
30. unknown
31. unknown

The Hungarian Ancestry of Queen Elizabeth II; Part 1

With much fanfare going on about the royal wedding, I thought it'd be fun to analyze the Hungarian ancestors of Queen Elizabeth II. Not many people know, but the Queen's second great-grandmother was the Hungarian Countess Klaudina (various spellings out there) Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde.

Countess Klaudina died at the young age of 29 years old. While in Austria at a military event with her husband, Alexander Duke of Württemberg, Klaudina was trampled and killed by horses. Duke Alexander subsequently became mentally unstable afterwards, for the rest of his life. It sounds like it could've been true love, to me!

In the fifth generation of the Ahnentafel chart below, you will find links to information on that individual's ancestors.

Here is an Ahnentafel list for five generations, beginning with Countess Klaudina:


First Generation
1. Countess Klaudina Zsuzsánna Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde

Second Generation
2. Count László Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
3. Baroness Ágnes Inczédy de Nagy-Várad

Third Generation
4. Count Mihály Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
5. Baroness Terézia Bánffy de Losoncz
6. Baron Gergely Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
7. Karoline Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa

Fourth Generation
8. László Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
9. Mária Toroczkay de Toroczkó-Szent-György
10. Baron Boldizsár Bánffy de Losoncz
11. Krisztina Kemény de Magyar-Gyerő-Monostor
12. Baron Gergely Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
13. Ágnes Kendeffy de Malomviz
14. Péter Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa
15. Baroness Terézia Inczédy de Nagy-Várad

Fifth Generation
16. János Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
17. Erzsébet Macskássy de Rápolt
18. István Toroczkay de Toroczkó-Szent-György
19. Borbála Kapy de Kapivár
20. Baron László Bánffy de Losoncz
21. Judit Dániel de Vargyas
22. Simon Kemény de Magyar-Gyerő-Monostor
23. Anna Vay de Vaja
24. Pál Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
25. Klára Lipcsey de Bilke
26. Gáspár Kendeffy de Malomviz
27. Katalin Kún
28. Mihály Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa
29. Ágnes Wass de Diód-Váralja
30. Baron Sámuel Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
31. Anna Lészay de Szent-Márton

Friday, June 25, 2010

Queen Elizabeth II related to Vlad Dracula?

Yesterday I wrote an article explaining the connection between the current reigning English monarchy and Vlad Dracula, otherwise known as Vlad "the Impaler". It showed their connection, not a relation. A new line of descent was brought to my attention last night that I need to analyze, and I thought I would do it here. Here is the alleged line of descent of Queen Elizabeth II to Vlad Dracula's father, Vlad II Dracul:

*Elizabeth II
*George VI
*Mary of Teck
*Francis, Duke of Teck
*Klaudia Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
*Countess Ágnes Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
*Baron Gergely Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
*Baroness Ágnes Kendeffy de Malmoviz
*Katalin Kun de Osdola
*Kristina (Christiana) Racz de Galgo
*Peter (Petru) Racz de Galgo
*Adam Racz de Galgo
*Zamphira Logofat de Szazsebes (Female)
*Stanka (Stanca) Basarab of Wallachia (Female)
*Mircea "The Shepherd" (Voivode) of Wallachia (Male)
*Radu cel Mare Radu IV `the Great' (Voivode) of Wallachia
*Vlad Călugărul (half-brother to Vlad Dracula)
*Vlad II Dracul (father to Vlad Dracula)

My previous article focuses on Klaudia Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde's paternal lineage, this alleged descent focuses on Klaudia's maternal lineage. We do know that Klaudia's parents are Count László Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde and his wife Baroness Ágnes Inczédy de Nagy-Várad. Ágnes is the known granddaughter of Baron Gergely Inczédy de Nagy-Várad and his wife Countess Ágnes Kendeffy de Malmoviz.




According to pedigree charts published by Iván Nagy in Magyarország családai, Ágnes Kendeffy de Malmoviz is most definitely the daughter of Gáspár Kendeffy de Malmoviz and his wife Katalin Kún. No other information is given on Katalin Kún in the Kendeffy family's pedigrees and information.




No additional information is given on Katalin Kún in Béla Kempelen's word Magyar Nemes Családok, and neither in any of these other following publications: Magyar nemzetségi zsebkönyv by the Magyar Heraldikai és Genealogiai Társaság (Hungarian Heraldry and Genealogy Society), A Magyar Nemzetségek A XIV. Század Közepéig by János Karácsonyi and finally Középkori Magyar Genealógia by Pál Engel.

Assuming that the alleged family tree is correct, Ágnes Kendeffy's mother is possibly Katalin Kun de Osdola. Considering I cannot find any additional information on Katalin Kún under the Kendeffy's, I must look under the Kún's and hope for the best. I do locate a countly Kún de Osdola family, but I do not locate any Katalin being married to a Gáspár Kendeffy.




There are, although, some interesting marriages and connections to known family names of Gáspár Kendeffy de Malmoviz and his wife Katalin Kún's descendants. Note the two (2) Rhédey's, the Kendeffy and also the Inczedy. The alleged ancestry above states that Katalin Kun's mother was a Kristina Racz de Galgo. There is indeed a Krisztina Rácz married to Miklós Kún do Osdola, right smack-dab in the middle of all the name connections. But that doesn't mean anything, we need proof that they are our Katalin Kún's parents.

Let's assume that Katalin Kún's parents are indeed Miklós Kún do Osdola and Krisztina Rácz shown on the pedigree chart. Continuing analyzing the alleged line of descent stated above, we need to look into the "Rácz de Galgo" family.





I locate a Rácz de Galgó family and indeed there is a Krisztina, who's second husband was a Miklós Kún. The pedigree chart fits perfectly with what was given on the alleged pedigree above. It does show the line of descent to a Zafira Logofét. The entry on the Rácz de Galgó family also gives some information on Zafira; it states: "neje oláh származású volt: Logofét Zafira". This says that Zafira Logofét (surnames are always listed before the given names in Hungary and Transylvania), was originally from Wallachia (Oláh). This seems to continually fit, as Vlad Dracula's family was from Wallachia and Vlad himself was once Voivode of Wallachia.

This is when my research starts to dry up with my Hungarian resources that I have. The resources are primarily for Hungary, not Transylvania. I now go to a trusted source for nobility and royalty information: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/. This website was created by Miroslav Marek and he has a whole page devoted to his sources. The alleged ancestry above from Zamphira Logofat de Szazsebes to Vlad II Dracul is correct, according to his website.. which I do not doubt. The only problem is with "Stanka (Stanca) Basarab of Wallachia". It lists her husband as "Ioan Norocea, Logofat de Pitesti, Great Chancellor of Wallachia", but no children (Zafira) are listed for them or can be found on his website. Also note that the name is "Logofat de Pitesti", not the "Logofat de Szazsebes" listed in the alleged pedigree.

All in all, the line of descent from Queen Elizabeth II to Vlad II Dracul, the father of Vlad "the Impaler", is very possible. The only contradictory facts, that need to be proven, lie with Katalin Kún and Zafira Logofat. Does anyone have any sources to prove or disprove these two remaining pieces of this alleged line of descent? If so, please contact me!

Sources:
*Magyarország családai, by Iván Nagy
*Magyar Nemes Családok, by Béla Kempelen
*Magyar nemzetségi zsebkönyv, by Magyar Heraldikai és Genealogiai Társaság
*A Magyar Nemzetségek A XIV. Század Közepéig, by János Karácsonyi
*Középkori Magyar Genealógia, by Pál Engel
*http://genealogy.euweb.cz/, by Miroslav Marek

Tuesday, March 30, 2010

My Connection To Queen Elizabeth II

Recently, I was able to connect my ancestor, Margit Berzeviczy, into the very well documented and very old noble Berzeviczy de Berzevicze family. Through the Berzeviczy's I also descend from several other very large and well-known noble families from Hungary. They're the Bárczay de Bárcza, Merse de Szinye, Soós de Sóvár and Sziny de Teresztén families.

Interestingly enough, the current reigning monarch of England, Queen Elizabeth II, is 1/16 Hungarian! Queen Elizabeth II's 2nd-great-grandmother was Countess Klaudina Zsuzsánna Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde. She was born on 21 Sep 1812 in Erdőszentgyörgy, Transylvania to Count László Rhédey de Rhéde (1773-1835) and Baroness Ágnes Inczédy de Nagy-Várad (1788-1856). On 2 May 1835 in Vienna, Austria, Klaudina was married to Duke Alexander Paul of Württemberg.

All of Klaudina's ancestors are of Hungarian nobility. She descends from many well-to-do and powerful Hungarian families, but the one that interests me the most is the Kapy de Kapivár family.. my family! My common ancestor with the Queen & Klaudina is György Kapy de Kapivár and his wife Klára Bárczay de Bárcza. That would make me 12th cousins, twice removed with Queen Elizabeth II! Not much is listed about György in Iván Nagy's book "Magyarország Családai", other than his father was living in the 1520's and his children were living in the 1530's.